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Its ok, no worries.

Yeah that's reasonable - I'm not solely laying it at the player's feet, I think it's a been a joint effort, but not intentional. Honestly though it's not really that relevant any more, it has been tarnished, there is pretty wide spread divide and it should in theory be a pretty unifying issue. The fact that split exists is what suggests to me it's not doing more good than harm.

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2021-06/Ipsos MORI Euros 2020 polling_120621_PUBLIC.pdf

Page 4 on there has only 40% of the country supporting the kneeling, with a good amount being ambivalent and almost a third being against it - the largest "anti racism" gesture in the nation should in theory garner a hell of a lot more support than that. I suppose where you expect it to be comes down to the proportion of the country you think are actual racist, I'd wager about 10% are actually racists, so then 40% support looks really really low. If it was really unifying then I'd expect at least 70% support. It may well be though that others on this forum believe it's a much higher amount but unfortunately we dont have any real polling for the answer!

The polling doesn't suggest unity on an issue that should be unifying - does that not suggest we are probably going about it wrong?

Unfortunately the link above doesnt let you isolate factors etc as they've listed multiple reasons for opposing the gesture rather than having to pick only one and I dont have the time to slog through all the data, but if you did, it would give you a pretty clear indication of when and where campaigning and protests would be effective, especially if you had a concrete mainfesto/legislative aims to go along with it. It would be good to know how they gave them options as well but hey ho, it gives the skeleton of good info

<blockquote data-quote="Not Mike Brown&amp;#039;s Sock" data-source="post: 1048063" data-attributes="member: 72041">Its ok, no worries.Yeah that&#039;s reasonable - I&#039;m not solely laying it at the player&#039;s feet, I think it&#039;s a been a joint effort, but not intentional. Honestly though it&#039;s not really that relevant any more, it has been tarnished, there is pretty wide spread divide and it should in theory be a pretty unifying issue. The fact that split exists is what suggests to me it&#039;s not doing more good than harm.<a href="https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2021-06/Ipsos%20MORI%20Euros%202020%20polling_120621_PUBLIC.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2021-06/Ipsos MORI Euros 2020 polling_120621_PUBLIC.pdf</a>Page 4 on there has only 40% of the country supporting the kneeling, with a good amount being ambivalent and almost a third being against it - the largest &quot;anti racism&quot; gesture in the nation should in theory garner a hell of a lot more support than that. I suppose where you expect it to be comes down to the proportion of the country you think are actual racist, I&#039;d wager about 10% are actually racists, so then 40% support looks really really low. If it was really unifying then I&#039;d expect at least 70% support. It may well be though that others on this forum believe it&#039;s a much higher amount but unfortunately we dont have any real polling for the answer!The polling doesn&#039;t suggest unity on an issue that should be unifying - does that not suggest we are probably going about it wrong?Unfortunately the link above doesnt let you isolate factors etc as they&#039;ve listed multiple reasons for opposing the gesture rather than having to pick only one and I dont have the time to slog through all the data, but if you did, it would give you a pretty clear indication of when and where campaigning and protests would be effective, especially if you had a concrete mainfesto/legislative aims to go along with it. It would be good to know how they gave them options as well but hey ho, it gives the skeleton of good info</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Not Mike Brown's Sock, post: 1048063, member: 72041"] Its ok, no worries. Yeah that's reasonable - I'm not solely laying it at the player's feet, I think it's a been a joint effort, but not intentional. Honestly though it's not really that relevant any more, it has been tarnished, there is pretty wide spread divide and it should in theory be a pretty unifying issue. The fact that split exists is what suggests to me it's not doing more good than harm. [URL='https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2021-06/Ipsos%20MORI%20Euros%202020%20polling_120621_PUBLIC.pdf']https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2021-06/Ipsos MORI Euros 2020 polling_120621_PUBLIC.pdf[/URL] Page 4 on there has only 40% of the country supporting the kneeling, with a good amount being ambivalent and almost a third being against it - the largest "anti racism" gesture in the nation should in theory garner a hell of a lot more support than that. I suppose where you expect it to be comes down to the proportion of the country you think are actual racist, I'd wager about 10% are actually racists, so then 40% support looks really really low. If it was really unifying then I'd expect at least 70% support. It may well be though that others on this forum believe it's a much higher amount but unfortunately we dont have any real polling for the answer! The polling doesn't suggest unity on an issue that should be unifying - does that not suggest we are probably going about it wrong? Unfortunately the link above doesnt let you isolate factors etc as they've listed multiple reasons for opposing the gesture rather than having to pick only one and I dont have the time to slog through all the data, but if you did, it would give you a pretty clear indication of when and where campaigning and protests would be effective, especially if you had a concrete mainfesto/legislative aims to go along with it. It would be good to know how they gave them options as well but hey ho, it gives the skeleton of good info [/QUOTE]