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<blockquote data-quote="Leonormous Boozer" data-source="post: 1209523" data-attributes="member: 45598">This ignores that he threw the ball up though. You can be in a sprint with a ball, throw it forward and up in front of you and catch it. Like for a chip kick or garryowen the relative velocities aren&#039;t in favour of the player, the ball just has to go up and down.I&#039;m dubious of the listed heights of both players, Dupont at 174 and Attisogbe at 181 both seem wrong and I&#039;ll include images of them compared to 178 listed Thomas Ramos. I think a 10+cm difference in height is more accurate.Dupont throws the ball from his chest height, and Attisogbe catches the ball above his head after it&#039;s fallen about 2m from it&#039;s peak (image below). A human head is on average 20-25cm, so we&#039;ll say 22.5cm even though Dupont has a chonker of one. So the ball has risen ~2.325m and dropped maybe 1.9m and all of this travel adds time for Dupont to move further and is largely irrelevant to relative velocities. It&#039;s an 8-10m pass from left to right but the ball travels another ~50% of that distance up and down (and I&#039;m no physicist but a believe a projectile is at it&#039;s slowest at it&#039;s peak compared to when rising to it or falling. I also realise the 50% figure is a bit of a guess with arc to consider, however it definitely isn&#039;t something to be dismissed).All of this is to say, relative velocities can&#039;t be simplified down to where&#039;s the ball thrown and where did the passer end up in passes like this, it&#039;s different to a flat horitzontal pass.I think that pass gets called forward more often than not if you don&#039;t have Dupont on your back.[ATTACH=full]22780[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]22781[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]22782[/ATTACH]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Leonormous Boozer, post: 1209523, member: 45598"] This ignores that he threw the ball up though. You can be in a sprint with a ball, throw it forward and up in front of you and catch it. Like for a chip kick or garryowen the relative velocities aren't in favour of the player, the ball just has to go up and down. I'm dubious of the listed heights of both players, Dupont at 174 and Attisogbe at 181 both seem wrong and I'll include images of them compared to 178 listed Thomas Ramos. I think a 10+cm difference in height is more accurate. Dupont throws the ball from his chest height, and Attisogbe catches the ball above his head after it's fallen about 2m from it's peak (image below). A human head is on average 20-25cm, so we'll say 22.5cm even though Dupont has a chonker of one. So the ball has risen ~2.325m and dropped maybe 1.9m and all of this travel adds time for Dupont to move further and is largely irrelevant to relative velocities. It's an 8-10m pass from left to right but the ball travels another ~50% of that distance up and down (and I'm no physicist but a believe a projectile is at it's slowest at it's peak compared to when rising to it or falling. I also realise the 50% figure is a bit of a guess with arc to consider, however it definitely isn't something to be dismissed). All of this is to say, relative velocities can't be simplified down to where's the ball thrown and where did the passer end up in passes like this, it's different to a flat horitzontal pass. I think that pass gets called forward more often than not if you don't have Dupont on your back. [ATTACH type="full" alt="7563896-dupont-antoine-fra-ramos-thomas-fra-1200x0-2.jpg"]22780[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full" alt="Screenshot_20250201_074724_YouTube.jpg"]22781[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full" alt="Screenshot_20250201_080123_YouTube.jpg"]22782[/ATTACH] [/QUOTE]

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