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<blockquote data-quote="Reiser99" data-source="post: 1117932" data-attributes="member: 72977">Reality is we&#039;re pretty where we started. We&#039;ve got players out of position, players being picked on name and not form, basics letting us down, players not looking motivated or giving 100%.For me that&#039;s probably the worst part of this. You would have hoped Borthwick would have got them to try harder and play with some pride. Playing well might take time, but too many just don&#039;t look like they care.Jones has left England in a complete mess this cycle and if he had some secret, world cup winning plan, he clearly didn&#039;t share it with the players.Would 5th and only beating Italy be enough to sack Borthwick? I doubt it, RFU would look even more of a joke. Personally I&#039;m writing this world cup cycle off completely now. We ain&#039;t winning it and it&#039;s doubtful if we&#039;ll even play good rugby.My worry is we&#039;ve committed to a coach who as many have pointed out, is completely unproven as a head coach outside of 2 1/2 seasons. Yes, Leicester improved massively and deserved to win last year, but they never looked dominant and played a style of rugby that made you sit up in your chair.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Reiser99, post: 1117932, member: 72977"] Reality is we're pretty where we started. We've got players out of position, players being picked on name and not form, basics letting us down, players not looking motivated or giving 100%. For me that's probably the worst part of this. You would have hoped Borthwick would have got them to try harder and play with some pride. Playing well might take time, but too many just don't look like they care. Jones has left England in a complete mess this cycle and if he had some secret, world cup winning plan, he clearly didn't share it with the players. Would 5th and only beating Italy be enough to sack Borthwick? I doubt it, RFU would look even more of a joke. Personally I'm writing this world cup cycle off completely now. We ain't winning it and it's doubtful if we'll even play good rugby. My worry is we've committed to a coach who as many have pointed out, is completely unproven as a head coach outside of 2 1/2 seasons. Yes, Leicester improved massively and deserved to win last year, but they never looked dominant and played a style of rugby that made you sit up in your chair. [/QUOTE]

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