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[2022 Rugby Championship] Round 2 Argentina vs Australia (13/08/2022)
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<blockquote data-quote="Cruz_del_Sur" data-source="post: 1098271" data-attributes="member: 55747"><p>I understand where you are coming from, but i don't think that is a fair comparison.</p><p>- We are facing each year what are arguably the best 3 national sides in history. You wanna contest that? Sure, let's look at the WC count and end get done and over with. </p><p>- They 3 have very solid internal leagues. We dont even have a professional one. </p><p>- There has been a progression. Look at the first 4 TRC's. We lost every single game. </p><p>- I've see Arg play two world cup semifinals. How many have Italian fans seen? How about Irish fans? Hell, half the Scottish fans haven't either and many of those who did were being breastfed in the process. </p><p></p><p>Personally, i see Japan as 10 x more of a threat than Italy. Japan has the right ideas and when they manage to execute them properly they can create a lot of problems to the second echelon of tier 1 teams. And they've done so under pressure on a big stage. </p><p></p><p>If you wanna talk about WR's success stories, i'd say Japan and Arg are two. Italy is not. </p><p></p><p> </p><p>And as bad as 2019's wc was for us, we lost to France by a whisker. A missed kick in the last minutes. Catastrophe, but it happens. Boffelli makes that kick (which he does half the time) and we face Wales (who beat a 14-man french side by 1 point) in the 1/4 finals. </p><p>I would have been more than ok with those odds. Suddenly you go from a catastrophe to a fair shot at a WC semi. </p><p>One kick. </p><p></p><p>Sure, Ireland are having a superb moment but had you asked pre 2019's WC who would the top 4 have in their group, Ire-Arg-Sco-Wal and i'm quite sure we wouldn't have topped that list. </p><p></p><p></p><p>My main concern over the last years is how someone we manage to destroy an aspect of the game that we were good at while trying to improve another. It's actually quite remarkable. We improve our scrums but our defense falls apart. We manage to become more dangerous attacking in the open but we cant stop a maul even if our lives depended on it. </p><p>We get better at jackling but our discipline crumbles. </p><p></p><p>Right now, our defense in our 22 mts is pretty, pretty bad, both in close and open play. That is why territory is so important right now. </p><p></p><p>I have to admit, facts you know, that our mid-year and end of the year internationals' record has been appalling. Dunno why. Might have to do with agenda or something. I really dont know, but the results are bad. </p><p>But let me put it this way: Arg faces Wales-Sco in a neutral, say WC scenario tomorrow, and i like our odds. Would you do the same with Italy? We can't win TRC YET just like Italy can't win the 6N. But unlike italy on a decent day we can ruin anyone's party. Italy cannot.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cruz_del_Sur, post: 1098271, member: 55747"] I understand where you are coming from, but i don't think that is a fair comparison. - We are facing each year what are arguably the best 3 national sides in history. You wanna contest that? Sure, let's look at the WC count and end get done and over with. - They 3 have very solid internal leagues. We dont even have a professional one. - There has been a progression. Look at the first 4 TRC's. We lost every single game. - I've see Arg play two world cup semifinals. How many have Italian fans seen? How about Irish fans? Hell, half the Scottish fans haven't either and many of those who did were being breastfed in the process. Personally, i see Japan as 10 x more of a threat than Italy. Japan has the right ideas and when they manage to execute them properly they can create a lot of problems to the second echelon of tier 1 teams. And they've done so under pressure on a big stage. If you wanna talk about WR's success stories, i'd say Japan and Arg are two. Italy is not. And as bad as 2019's wc was for us, we lost to France by a whisker. A missed kick in the last minutes. Catastrophe, but it happens. Boffelli makes that kick (which he does half the time) and we face Wales (who beat a 14-man french side by 1 point) in the 1/4 finals. I would have been more than ok with those odds. Suddenly you go from a catastrophe to a fair shot at a WC semi. One kick. Sure, Ireland are having a superb moment but had you asked pre 2019's WC who would the top 4 have in their group, Ire-Arg-Sco-Wal and i'm quite sure we wouldn't have topped that list. My main concern over the last years is how someone we manage to destroy an aspect of the game that we were good at while trying to improve another. It's actually quite remarkable. We improve our scrums but our defense falls apart. We manage to become more dangerous attacking in the open but we cant stop a maul even if our lives depended on it. We get better at jackling but our discipline crumbles. Right now, our defense in our 22 mts is pretty, pretty bad, both in close and open play. That is why territory is so important right now. I have to admit, facts you know, that our mid-year and end of the year internationals' record has been appalling. Dunno why. Might have to do with agenda or something. I really dont know, but the results are bad. But let me put it this way: Arg faces Wales-Sco in a neutral, say WC scenario tomorrow, and i like our odds. Would you do the same with Italy? We can't win TRC YET just like Italy can't win the 6N. But unlike italy on a decent day we can ruin anyone's party. Italy cannot. [/QUOTE]
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