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2024 Guinness Six Nations
[2020 Six Nations] England vs Wales (07/03/20)
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<blockquote data-quote="Not Eddie Jones" data-source="post: 991719" data-attributes="member: 81025"><p>I agree, but...</p><p></p><p>Did Gatland maximise their talents, or did he underachieve with a talented group of players? Wales have had a lot of good players in his tenure. Around the middle of his reign, their pack was the equal of any pack in the world. Yet he only occasionally won anything. And he never really improved the players, he just stuck to his Warrenball gameplan. </p><p></p><p>Consider their World Cup performances. They lost a semi to France by 1 point, a quarter to SA by 4 points on a late try, and a semi to SA by 3 points on a late penalty. You could come from the 'Little-old-Wales are lucky to get that far' point of view and say 'well done, good effort lads, plucky losers, Warren's got them punching above their weight', or you could come from the 'Wales have a lot of good players and so should be winning things regularly' point of view and say 'they choked big time, every tournament, coz Warren's coaching isn't good enough'. </p><p></p><p>I suppose my vision might be skewed by the Lions. Wales had a ton of Lions over Gatland's tenure, but of course Gatland was picking the Lions, so did they genuinely have that large number of Lions-quality players, in which case Wales should have won way more than they did with that level of talent, or was Gatland just picking familiar guys who weren't really Lions quality, in which case, how did the Lions do well enough to beat Oz and draw NZ on those tours?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Not Eddie Jones, post: 991719, member: 81025"] I agree, but... Did Gatland maximise their talents, or did he underachieve with a talented group of players? Wales have had a lot of good players in his tenure. Around the middle of his reign, their pack was the equal of any pack in the world. Yet he only occasionally won anything. And he never really improved the players, he just stuck to his Warrenball gameplan. Consider their World Cup performances. They lost a semi to France by 1 point, a quarter to SA by 4 points on a late try, and a semi to SA by 3 points on a late penalty. You could come from the 'Little-old-Wales are lucky to get that far' point of view and say 'well done, good effort lads, plucky losers, Warren's got them punching above their weight', or you could come from the 'Wales have a lot of good players and so should be winning things regularly' point of view and say 'they choked big time, every tournament, coz Warren's coaching isn't good enough'. I suppose my vision might be skewed by the Lions. Wales had a ton of Lions over Gatland's tenure, but of course Gatland was picking the Lions, so did they genuinely have that large number of Lions-quality players, in which case Wales should have won way more than they did with that level of talent, or was Gatland just picking familiar guys who weren't really Lions quality, in which case, how did the Lions do well enough to beat Oz and draw NZ on those tours? [/QUOTE]
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