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[2015 TRC] South Africa v New Zealand in Johannesburg (25/07/2015)
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<blockquote data-quote="smartcooky" data-source="post: 735778" data-attributes="member: 20605"><p>Yes he is. The law calls this player the receiver.</p><p></p><p>[TEXTAREA]<strong>LAW 19 DEFINITIONS</strong></p><p><strong>Receiver</strong>. The receiver is the player in position to catch the ball when lineout</p><p>players pass or knock the ball back from the lineout. Any player may be the</p><p>receiver but each team may have only one receiver at a lineout</p><p></p><p>...</p><p></p><p><strong>Players taking part in the lineout known as participating players.</strong> Players</p><p>taking part in the lineout are the player who throws-in and an immediate</p><p>opponent, the two players waiting to receive the ball from the lineout and the</p><p> line-outplayers.[/TEXTAREA]</p><p></p><p>[TEXTAREA]LAW 19.8</p><p>(i) Where the receiver must stand. If a team uses a receiver, then that player, must be</p><p>positioned at least 2m back from team mates in the lineout, and between the 5m and 15m</p><p>lines, until the line-out begins.</p><p><strong>Once the lineout has commenced, the receiver may move into the lineout and may perform</strong></p><p><strong>all actions available to players in the lineout and is liable to related sanctions.</strong></p><p>Sanction: Free kick on the 15 metre line along the line of touch[/TEXTAREA]</p><p></p><p>Note that teams don't actually have to have a receiver (South Africa actually didn't. They put Pienaar right back on the goal-line.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No because the "numbers in the line-out" only applies before the ball is thrown. Remember, the numbers do not have to match, its just that the throwing team sets the numbers, and the non thrown team can have the same or less but not more.</p><p></p><p>There could also be an interesting variation on this, and teams had better be aware of it. In the variation used on Saturday, McCaw was not allowed to move towards the line-out until the ball was thrown. However, this Law also applies....</p><p></p><p>[TEXTAREA]Law 19.8</p><p>(k) Participating players in a line-out may change places before the ball is thrown.[/TEXTAREA]</p><p></p><p>Note that it says <em>"participating players"</em>, not <em>"line-out players"</em>. Now have a look at the definitions I posted earlier in this post and note that <em>"participating players"</em> includes the receiver</p><p></p><p>The means that McCaw could start his run before the ball is thrown if the tail-gunner in the line-out (who was not involved in the lifting pod) leaves and goes into the receiver position at the same time just before the ball is thrown.</p><p></p><p>I can imagine a move where they put a three man pod half-way between the 5m and 15m lines plus an extra player just behind them, and fake that they were going to do this move but instead of waiting for the throw-in, the receiver starts running in as if to take the ball and the extra man moves back into the receiver position. The ball actually is thrown to the jumper who flicks it behind him to the new receiver who started his run into the line as soon as the ball is thrown. He catches the ball and scores unopposed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="smartcooky, post: 735778, member: 20605"] Yes he is. The law calls this player the receiver. [TEXTAREA][B]LAW 19 DEFINITIONS[/B] [B]Receiver[/B]. The receiver is the player in position to catch the ball when lineout players pass or knock the ball back from the lineout. Any player may be the receiver but each team may have only one receiver at a lineout ... [B]Players taking part in the lineout known as participating players.[/B] Players taking part in the lineout are the player who throws-in and an immediate opponent, the two players waiting to receive the ball from the lineout and the line-outplayers.[/TEXTAREA] [TEXTAREA]LAW 19.8 (i) Where the receiver must stand. If a team uses a receiver, then that player, must be positioned at least 2m back from team mates in the lineout, and between the 5m and 15m lines, until the line-out begins. [B]Once the lineout has commenced, the receiver may move into the lineout and may perform all actions available to players in the lineout and is liable to related sanctions.[/B] Sanction: Free kick on the 15 metre line along the line of touch[/TEXTAREA] Note that teams don't actually have to have a receiver (South Africa actually didn't. They put Pienaar right back on the goal-line.) No because the "numbers in the line-out" only applies before the ball is thrown. Remember, the numbers do not have to match, its just that the throwing team sets the numbers, and the non thrown team can have the same or less but not more. There could also be an interesting variation on this, and teams had better be aware of it. In the variation used on Saturday, McCaw was not allowed to move towards the line-out until the ball was thrown. However, this Law also applies.... [TEXTAREA]Law 19.8 (k) Participating players in a line-out may change places before the ball is thrown.[/TEXTAREA] Note that it says [I]"participating players"[/I], not [I]"line-out players"[/I]. Now have a look at the definitions I posted earlier in this post and note that [I]"participating players"[/I] includes the receiver The means that McCaw could start his run before the ball is thrown if the tail-gunner in the line-out (who was not involved in the lifting pod) leaves and goes into the receiver position at the same time just before the ball is thrown. I can imagine a move where they put a three man pod half-way between the 5m and 15m lines plus an extra player just behind them, and fake that they were going to do this move but instead of waiting for the throw-in, the receiver starts running in as if to take the ball and the extra man moves back into the receiver position. The ball actually is thrown to the jumper who flicks it behind him to the new receiver who started his run into the line as soon as the ball is thrown. He catches the ball and scores unopposed. [/QUOTE]
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