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2024 Guinness Six Nations
[2015 Six Nations] Wales vs England (Round 1)
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<blockquote data-quote="RedruthRFC" data-source="post: 707217" data-attributes="member: 58362"><p>I'm slightly confused by the "move on" posts. New points are still being raised and I still feel like I'm improving my understanding by reading the thread - surely this is the aim of such threads.</p><p></p><p>FWIW, I discussed the incident with a referee on Friday night, my opinion at the time was that although the offence didn't have a material impact on the try being scored (or not), if the offence was spotted in real time, then England wouldn't have had possession and wouldn't have scored. I did qualify that by saying "as long as the TMO is consistent as to how far back he goes, in terms of either phases, time or simply as far as the last dead ball situation".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I can't find the document either, but this article dated November 2014 mentions the two phases. Obviously it may be out of date by now:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/club/11293566/Rugby-World-Cup-will-be-a-turn-off-unless-confusion-over-tedious-maddening-and-opaque-TMO-is-not-resolved.html" target="_blank">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/club/11293566/Rugby-World-Cup-will-be-a-turn-off-unless-confusion-over-tedious-maddening-and-opaque-TMO-is-not-resolved.html</a></p><p></p><p>If the "two phase rule" still stands, then I would say that the TMO acted outside his jurisdiction (the ball carrier was tackled and went to ground twice after the offence). The other point based on what Moore says, is that (assuming it's still up to date) the infringement must "be CLEAR and OBVIOUS and in the context of materiality". I would argue that the TMO ignored this constraint too - the player obstructed by Easter was released almost instantly and had moved to the openside in a position that enabled him to put in a tackle on Ford forcing him to offload in the phase before the try that wasn't.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RedruthRFC, post: 707217, member: 58362"] I'm slightly confused by the "move on" posts. New points are still being raised and I still feel like I'm improving my understanding by reading the thread - surely this is the aim of such threads. FWIW, I discussed the incident with a referee on Friday night, my opinion at the time was that although the offence didn't have a material impact on the try being scored (or not), if the offence was spotted in real time, then England wouldn't have had possession and wouldn't have scored. I did qualify that by saying "as long as the TMO is consistent as to how far back he goes, in terms of either phases, time or simply as far as the last dead ball situation". I can't find the document either, but this article dated November 2014 mentions the two phases. Obviously it may be out of date by now: [URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/club/11293566/Rugby-World-Cup-will-be-a-turn-off-unless-confusion-over-tedious-maddening-and-opaque-TMO-is-not-resolved.html[/URL] If the "two phase rule" still stands, then I would say that the TMO acted outside his jurisdiction (the ball carrier was tackled and went to ground twice after the offence). The other point based on what Moore says, is that (assuming it's still up to date) the infringement must "be CLEAR and OBVIOUS and in the context of materiality". I would argue that the TMO ignored this constraint too - the player obstructed by Easter was released almost instantly and had moved to the openside in a position that enabled him to put in a tackle on Ford forcing him to offload in the phase before the try that wasn't. [/QUOTE]
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