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[2014 TRC] Australia v New Zealand in Sydney (16/08/2014)

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1 James Slipper
2 Nathan Charles
3 Sekope Kepu
4 Rob Simmons
5 Sam Carter
6 Scott Fardy
7 Michael Hooper (c)
8 Wycliff Palu
9 Nic White
10 Kurtley Beale
11 Rob Horne
12 Matt Toomua
13 Adam Ashley-Cooper
14 Pat McCabe
15 Israel Folau

Reserves:

16 James Hanson, 17 Ben Alexander, 18 Pek Cowan, 19 Will Skelton, 20 Scott Higginbotham, 21 Nick Phipps, 22 Bernard Foley, 23 Tevita Kuridrani
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1 Wyatt Crockett
2 Dane Coles
3 Owen Franks
4 Brodie Retallick
5 Sam Whitelock
6 Jerome Kaino
7 Richie McCaw (c)
8 Kieran Read
9 Aaron Smith
10 Aaron Cruden
11 Julian Savea
12 Ma'a Nonu
13 Malakai Fekitoa
14 Cory Jane
15 Ben Smith

Reserves:

16 Keven Mealamu, 17 Ben Franks, 18 Joe Moody, 19 Steven Luatua, 20 Sam Cane, 21 TJ Perenara, 22 Beauden Barrett, 23 Ryan Crotty

Stadium: ANZ Stadium
Capacity: 83,500
City: Sydney
Country: Australia
Referee: Jaco Peyper

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this is a tough one right here for the All-Blacks. Will have to really hang on tight to keep that win streak alive.
 
Likely Wallabies starting XV:

Israel Folau, Adam Ashley-Cooper, Tevita Kuridrani, Matt Toomua, Pat McCabe, Bernard Foley, Nic White, Wycliff Palu, Michael Hooper (capt), Scott Fardy, Rob Simmons, Sam Carter, Sekope Kepu, Nathan Charles, James Slipper.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2014/08/08/mckenzie-poised-resist-changes-blacks/

McCabe in for the Honey Badger on the left wing.

For the ABs Crockett will start at loose head for the ABs http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/...rop-Tony-Woodcock-out-for-remainder-of-season. The only question really is whether Ben Smith is moved to right wing and Dagg returns to full back, or does Hansen keep Smith at full back and play either Jane or Piutau on the right wing.
 
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Likely Wallabies starting XV:

Israel Folau, Adam Ashley-Cooper, Tevita Kuridrani, Matt Toomua, Pat McCabe, Bernard Foley, Nic White, Wycliff Palu, Michael Hooper (capt), Scott Fardy, Rob Simmons, Sam Carter, Sekope Kepu, Nathan Charles, James Slipper.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2014/08/08/mckenzie-poised-resist-changes-blacks/

McCabe in for the Honey Badger on the left wing.

For the ABs Crockett will start at loose head for the ABs http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/...rop-Tony-Woodcock-out-for-remainder-of-season. The only question really is whether Ben Smith is moved to right wing and Dagg returns to full back, or does Hansen keep Smith at full back and play either Jane or Piutau on the right wing.

The other question mark is over who starts at 6 for the All Blacks. I'd imagine it's Messam's position to lose at this point in time, but we'll have to wait and see.
 
I predict the Wallabies will win this game and then lose the next 2 games by narrow margins. A great game for not only Wallaby and All Black fans but for all.
 
The other question mark is over who starts at 6 for the All Blacks. I'd imagine it's Messam's position to lose at this point in time, but we'll have to wait and see.

Really? I'm just going by the 3rd test v England, when Hansen seemed to lay his cards on the table on who he favours by starting Kaino at 6 ahead of Messam, with the latter covering on the bench.
 
I still ccan't see how anyone wouldn't play AAC at 13.

If I were Link:

1 Slipper
2 who is fit?
3 Kepu
4 Skelton - why not just start the lad
5 Simmons
6 Hooper
7 Fardy
8 Palu

9 White
10 Foley
11 Horne
12 Toomua
13 AAC - a no-brainer in my mind
14 Kuridrani
15 Folau - best for last
 
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Really? I'm just going by the 3rd test v England, when Hansen seemed to lay his cards on the table on who he favours by starting Kaino at 6 ahead of Messam, with the latter covering on the bench.

Whoops, I'd forgotten that Read started that third match!

You're probably right, it does seem that Kaino has the inside running then. However I still wouldn't say he's a certainty to start.
 
My guess would be a 5 point win for New Zealand where they get the bounce of the ball and everyone says how they are there for the beating.... then they demolish everyone else by 15 + points.
 
I still ccan't see how anyone wouldn't play AAC at 13.

agreed, it's so wasteful to play him at the wing and he still gets picked there some times.
So who's going the full length and saying the Wallabies are winning this one ?

My guess would be a 5 point win for New Zealand where they get the bounce of the ball and everyone says how they are there for the beating.... then they demolish everyone else by 15 + points.

lol. I get your state of mind, not unlikely at all by my estimation. I do think the All-Blacks win this, but not by a million like last year, certainly far from that.
 
I think Australia has the best chance after a loooooong time. Hope they can take advantage of the situation and that luck won't help the All Blacks.
 
As much as I would love to see the Wallabies win - if I were to be forced into to puting $50K on the match - I would take the All Blacks by less than 5 points. Again, I think set piece will be the difference and our inexperienced tight 5 will be where the All Blacks are able to take advantage.

My heart says Wallabies by 3. I really do think Australia will beat the All Blacks once this RC so hopefully my gut is right as well be next weekend!

I'm liking the look of both squads so far and am now convinced the All Blacks are more dangerous without Carter. I'd start Messam over Kaino and Smith over Dagg. The rest of the team picks itself.

As for the Wallabies, obviously certain players are unavailable (Moore, TPN, Speight and O'Conner) but I would absolutely start Beale and AAC. There is another thread going into detail with the Brumbies v Waratahs center combinations and ultimately both options are good but I do feel AAC is wasted on the wing. My only real controversial selection would be to start Ben McCalman over Fardy. I really don't know why Fardy is an automatic starter and see him as one of the most overrated players in rugby today. He's good but certainly not great. His workrate is vastly overrated - his stats for the French series; 21 run meters, 7 tackles and a turnover over 3 games! Big Ben would add a tonne of size to the team another very effective ball runner.
 
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If it was me id probably tend to be more likely to play Messam against Australia and Kaino against South Africa.... Id prefer Kaino every game but.

Might even get a surprise with Mccaw at 6 and Cane at 7. Depends on how much of a threat Hansen thinks Hooper is I guess. Hooper at this stage of his career is very similar to Pocock I reckon great player but if you play the right tactics I think you can control him.
 
I think Australia has the best chance after a loooooong time. Hope they can take advantage of the situation and that luck won't help the All Blacks.

Id agree with this but I do think they will have to catch us on the hop a bit tactically. Which is possible with the huge change of players from last year which will either be a master stroke or a bit of a disaster imo.

And if they play AAC at 14 they have bricks in their heads!
 
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I imagine the AB's side will be very predictable (barring injuries). The selects will almost certainly pick Dagg at fullback and shift Smith back to the wing. Probably the most difficult decisions will be on the bench, with the selectors having to choose between Cane and Messam for the reserve loose-forward spot, Perenara and Kerr-Barlow for back-up halfback, and Fekitoa, Jane, and Piutau for outside back cover.

As much as I would love to see the Wallabies win - if I were to be forced into to puting $50K on the match - I would take the All Blacks by less than 5 points. Again, I think set piece will be the difference and our inexperienced tight 5 will be where the All Blacks are able to take advantage.

My heart says Wallabies by 3. I really do think Australia will beat the All Blacks this RC so hopefully my gut is right as well be next weekend!

I'm liking the look of both squads so far and am now convinced the All Blacks are more dangerous without Carter. I'd start Messam over Kaino and Smith over Dagg. The rest of the team picks itself.

Based on form over the last few years I agree the AB's are probably more dangerous without Carter. Cruden can tear any team apart on his day, and Barrett is a real weapon on the bench. When Carter is out we do miss his world class defense, experience, and quality goal-kicking (though his kicking hasn't been great this season...), but we are probably more dangerous with ball in hand.....

I imagine Kaino will start every key match for the AB's leading up to (and during) the next RWC barring injury. Messam did a very good job at 6 last season, but Kaino is at a different level altogether. When Kaino is on form (as he is now) he is (by some margin) the best 6 in the world IMO.

As for the Wallabies, obviously certain players are unavailable (Moore, TPN, Speight and O'Conner) but I would absolutely start Beale and AAC. There is another thread going into detail with the Brumbies v Waratahs center combinations and ultimately both options are good but I do feel AAC is wasted on the wing. My only real controversial selection would be to start Ben McCalman over Fardy. I really don't know why Fardy is an automatic starter and see him as one of the most overrated players in rugby today. He's good but certainly not great. His workrate is vastly overrated - his stats for the French series; 21 run meters, 7 tackles and a turnover over 3 games! Big Ben would add a tonne of size to the team another very effective ball runner.

I think it would be a big mistake to start Beale at 12 against the AB's. He would certainly offer the Wallabies more on attack, but he is a weak defender (in what it is a vital defensive position), which I'm sure the AB's (and other sides) would be able to exploit that. He could be hidden on the wing (as the Waratahs do), but even then he can be exposed. Personally I think he is best used at this stage as an impact sub, though I understand why people would consider starting him. Personally I would start AAC at centre (as like you I feel he is somewhat wasted on the wing), but I don't think that will happen until Speight becomes available.

Fardy is an interesting one at 6, and like you I would consider starting McCalman there. I actually think Fardy does a pretty important job for the Wallabies, but I think McCalman could do a good job too. The advantage with Fardy is that he is a big abrasive guy (bigger than McCalman), is an excellent lineout option (he has also played a lot at lock), and his ability to force turnovers at the breakdown is a big asset. He is only an average ball runner though, and he does get penalized a lot (mainly at the breakdown). McCalman offers quite a bit more with ball in hand, concedes a lot less penalties, but isn't as good in the lineout (though is still a good option), and doesn't have the ability to force turnovers that Fardy has. Personally I feel McCalman is the better 6 of the two (even though he plays mainly at 8), but Fardy is currently the better fit for this Aussie side (especially if they are going to use Skelton as an impact sub, as they need their best jumpers available if one of their locks isn't used at lineout time...). McCalman is sure to see plenty at time at 8 this season when Palu inevitably breaks down....
 
AAC and McCabe on the wing (as many have predicted) seems to be the safest in terms of defense - but really provides nothing exceptional on attack. I wonder how much of it has to do with containing Julian Savea, and how much is simply not trusting more specialist wingers defense in general (which, to be fair, Betham is not exactly a powerhouse defender).

In terms of Kaino - I think it's pretty obvious he is a better 6 than Messam. In my opinion he lifts the All Blacks forward pack to another level.

I still love Carter, and it's hard to say just where he is at in terms of being our best 10, seeing as he was used at 12 all season for the Crusaders (who seemed to have a very rigid game plan of spreading the ball from side to side) and he rarely goes a match without picking up an injury. That said, if I had to pick the next best 10 in the world I'd probably still go with Cruden - and Barrett certainly not too far behind that - so it's not as if we're in any trouble with our 10s (I'd have been pretty stoked if we had this good 10 depth come the last RWC!).
 
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Heart says Wallabies, head says don't bet your house on it. I really don't know whether to be optimistic or just resign to the fact that it could be another year in the wilderness for us.
 
some Aussies on here need to tell their hearts to stop drinking then *tah doom tss*

And yes, I don't understand the guy who picked Messam over Kaino. Ditto. This is going to be some game, anyways.
And I reiterate: I think if the Wallabies beat the AB this year, it'll be during Bledisloe 3.
 
"Adam Ashley-Cooper does not pass the ball. what would be the point of having wingers on the field if he is at thirteen"- Link 2014
 
Hard game to call, see this as being the closest game for a while, as an AB's fan I am going AB's by 5-10.

Selection headaches for the AB selectors no matter what.
 

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