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[2014 EOYT] Wales vs New Zealand
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<blockquote data-quote="Jbobo" data-source="post: 692721" data-attributes="member: 62085"><p>Skipped the rest as this is the first thing that caught my eye - Look at my post again, i said It has changed recently, Ireland have shattered their poor SH record and that this is because Ireland have gone into another gear. Ireland are currently the better team for sure. Individually up to now i believe Wales have had the most talented side, this again i have said is changing and i think Ireland are showing exactly what they have got and have just started to really tap into. I also said that in my opinion Wales have more talent then England, where did i say the same about Ireland? Again, things change and if you're only as good as your last match or campaign, i'd say Ireland are by far the best in the NH and Wales and England have both been poor. </p><p></p><p>The rest of your post...Blah probably not worth the effort since you're unable to make a balanced argument. but i'll give it a go. Thomas's comments were made with context, he was stating that performances like that against Fiji were unacceptable because this Wales team should have moved on from being the team which chokes and cannot get itself up to beat lower teams more comfortably, which i agree with. He was stating that the performance at the world cup, which included a 60-0 victory of Fiji should be consistent and is saying it is not good enough to not. He emphasized this point by noting Wales's closeness to getting to the final, regardless of a Red carded Captain after about 20 mins against france and Halfpenny's missed goal kick. If we want to be as good as the best, we have to be as clinical as them. We simply are not yet. </p><p></p><p>The point you're making about the inflated sense of how well we did at the world cup is baffling when you see how people's reactions to England's victory against the AB's in 2012 (one year after the world cup) made them genuine contenders for the next world cup 3 years later! We are still hearing many on here saying recently that England and Sa are the only team which can challenge the All Blacks, despite not backing up any performance since. </p><p></p><p>I don't care if the statistics i quote not changing your mind, it is you who is saying that you're sick of hearing me say that Wales can beat England. Which is true, and proven not too long ago. Our performances against the SH have not been poor in general, but definitely not good enough. Although everyone is sick of it, including the Welsh so badly, we are still plucky losers, this is because we perform well but can't get over the line. It has been comically consistent in that regard. The point is, you can;t sit there and say England have been more successful than Wales when they have won nothing ultimately. I would probably take beating SH sides over Six nations championships, but I bet you wouldn't be snubbing England if they could win the thing. You know you have to actually win games to win grandslams. Who's the one that's actually being highly selective here? You're contradicting yourself. </p><p></p><p>I don't have to scroll though the huge amount of threads to quote people referring to England's win in 2012, just go look at the thread itself, it's full of comments and i have seen it aplenty to an annoying scale since. I said some people, not all of you. Stop misquoting me, when did i blame the mass majority of you?</p><p></p><p>Edit - Caught the rest of the post after.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jbobo, post: 692721, member: 62085"] Skipped the rest as this is the first thing that caught my eye - Look at my post again, i said It has changed recently, Ireland have shattered their poor SH record and that this is because Ireland have gone into another gear. Ireland are currently the better team for sure. Individually up to now i believe Wales have had the most talented side, this again i have said is changing and i think Ireland are showing exactly what they have got and have just started to really tap into. I also said that in my opinion Wales have more talent then England, where did i say the same about Ireland? Again, things change and if you're only as good as your last match or campaign, i'd say Ireland are by far the best in the NH and Wales and England have both been poor. The rest of your post...Blah probably not worth the effort since you're unable to make a balanced argument. but i'll give it a go. Thomas's comments were made with context, he was stating that performances like that against Fiji were unacceptable because this Wales team should have moved on from being the team which chokes and cannot get itself up to beat lower teams more comfortably, which i agree with. He was stating that the performance at the world cup, which included a 60-0 victory of Fiji should be consistent and is saying it is not good enough to not. He emphasized this point by noting Wales's closeness to getting to the final, regardless of a Red carded Captain after about 20 mins against france and Halfpenny's missed goal kick. If we want to be as good as the best, we have to be as clinical as them. We simply are not yet. The point you're making about the inflated sense of how well we did at the world cup is baffling when you see how people's reactions to England's victory against the AB's in 2012 (one year after the world cup) made them genuine contenders for the next world cup 3 years later! We are still hearing many on here saying recently that England and Sa are the only team which can challenge the All Blacks, despite not backing up any performance since. I don't care if the statistics i quote not changing your mind, it is you who is saying that you're sick of hearing me say that Wales can beat England. Which is true, and proven not too long ago. Our performances against the SH have not been poor in general, but definitely not good enough. Although everyone is sick of it, including the Welsh so badly, we are still plucky losers, this is because we perform well but can't get over the line. It has been comically consistent in that regard. The point is, you can;t sit there and say England have been more successful than Wales when they have won nothing ultimately. I would probably take beating SH sides over Six nations championships, but I bet you wouldn't be snubbing England if they could win the thing. You know you have to actually win games to win grandslams. Who's the one that's actually being highly selective here? You're contradicting yourself. I don't have to scroll though the huge amount of threads to quote people referring to England's win in 2012, just go look at the thread itself, it's full of comments and i have seen it aplenty to an annoying scale since. I said some people, not all of you. Stop misquoting me, when did i blame the mass majority of you? Edit - Caught the rest of the post after. [/QUOTE]
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