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<blockquote data-quote="TheSaffycen" data-source="post: 629301" data-attributes="member: 71135">I don&#039;t want to sound like I&#039;m picking on you Ewis because I agree that if you play quick clinical rugby you are very likely to win, also it&#039;s much better to watch. But you with the point that Italy like to play forwards rugby and that their cryptonite is running rugby, the only sides that they have never beaten are New Zealand, Australia, England and South Africa. Now both South Africa and England are forward orientated teams, though both are now expanding that, and combined have played Italy a total of 30 times. 30 times and Italy have not managed to get even a single draw. Argentina I would say is a team that revolves around its pack and Italy have played them 19 times losing 13 of them. Now I would say that looking at these stats that they do have some relevance as the Italian pack is not as strong as it once was and even then they use to get beaten by other teams who play a forwards game. So what I am trying to say is in short, this pack is one of the better England packs and if Italy tried to contain our pack that we would still win IMO.By the way all the stats are from Wiki so God knows if they are correct.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TheSaffycen, post: 629301, member: 71135"] I don't want to sound like I'm picking on you [B]Ewis[/B] because I agree that if you play quick clinical rugby you are very likely to win, also it's much better to watch. But you with the point that Italy like to play forwards rugby and that their cryptonite is running rugby, the only sides that they have never beaten are New Zealand, Australia, England and South Africa. Now both South Africa and England are forward orientated teams, though both are now expanding that, and combined have played Italy a total of 30 times. 30 times and Italy have not managed to get even a single draw. Argentina I would say is a team that revolves around its pack and Italy have played them 19 times losing 13 of them. Now I would say that looking at these stats that they do have some relevance as the Italian pack is not as strong as it once was and even then they use to get beaten by other teams who play a forwards game. So what I am trying to say is in short, this pack is one of the better England packs and if Italy tried to contain our pack that we would still win IMO. By the way all the stats are from Wiki so God knows if they are correct. [/QUOTE]

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