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<blockquote data-quote="Cruz_del_Sur" data-source="post: 985208" data-attributes="member: 55747"><p>The problem has nothing to do with rugby itself. </p><p>Rugby, at least in Arg, is a sport that generates more cohesion among a team at a personal level. Your group of friends tend to correlate a LOT more with the people who play with you in rugby than in most other sports (again, at least in Arg). That has a few of unintended and potentially drastic consequences. </p><p>People who play, say, basketball for a club, go, train 1/2 a week, play on the weekend and that is, on average, how much they see each other. People who play rugby tend to socialize outside the sport a LOT more. That means that it is very common for them to go out in large groups. </p><p>So: </p><p>-Large groups </p><p>-relatively fit and big people</p><p>-alcohol</p><p></p><p>When you put all that together, it can turn quite nasty. And it's not that they go out looking for fights (some do), but even if you don't, they find themselves in a position where they have very few incentives to back down and town things down. </p><p></p><p>And what happened in this case is nothing new. The only difference is someone was unlucky and died. Kicks like that happen and have been happening for as long as i can remember. Agustin Pichot, mr rugby values 2020, back in the day was known in his neighborhood for having kicked someone on the ground in the head. Once you start kicking people's head while they are on the ground/on 4s, all bets are off and it becomes a matter of, for the lack of a better word, luck. </p><p>If the person dies/considerable and irreversible damage occurs, it's a tragedy, and every news station will pick up the story. If the exact same kick lands say, one cm away and the damage is not as visible/permanent, it becomes a non-issue. No one gives a *****. </p><p></p><p>Personally i think the guys are morons and deserve most of what is coming their way. I do not believe they went out that night thinking "let's kill someone" as the prosecution is arguing and as most of society appears to believe (at least when u watch main news channels). </p><p>These are very stupid people who made a serious of very bad, reckless and terrible decisions which ended up in someone else dying. A tragedy, by every single definition of the word. Fights like this one happen every single weekend on every single neighborhood. </p><p></p><p>Prison inmates are recording and releasing them into soc media saying the rugby players will be cordially welcomed to the facilities. People are laughing. People are laughing at the prospect of 10 19/20 year olds getting gang-raped the minute the enter prison and they are posting videos about it on soc media. This saddens me on so many levels i don't know where to begin. </p><p>You cannot watch a news show without someone blaming the white cisgender heteropatriarchy and its armed wing, rugby players. I kid you not. </p><p>We have congressmen proposing laws that make rugby players as liable as someone carrying a gun/knife. </p><p>We have news anchors blaming clubs for not doing enough. We have the same morons blaming the rugby federation. I kid you not. They are calling them kids. Parents, club, teachers, society, government, coaches, everyone is responsible, which means no one is responsible. They wanted to blame the bloody bouncers for this. </p><p></p><p>The level of hypocrisy is hard to explain. Again, this makes me so sad on so many levels. </p><p>/end rant.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cruz_del_Sur, post: 985208, member: 55747"] The problem has nothing to do with rugby itself. Rugby, at least in Arg, is a sport that generates more cohesion among a team at a personal level. Your group of friends tend to correlate a LOT more with the people who play with you in rugby than in most other sports (again, at least in Arg). That has a few of unintended and potentially drastic consequences. People who play, say, basketball for a club, go, train 1/2 a week, play on the weekend and that is, on average, how much they see each other. People who play rugby tend to socialize outside the sport a LOT more. That means that it is very common for them to go out in large groups. So: -Large groups -relatively fit and big people -alcohol When you put all that together, it can turn quite nasty. And it's not that they go out looking for fights (some do), but even if you don't, they find themselves in a position where they have very few incentives to back down and town things down. And what happened in this case is nothing new. The only difference is someone was unlucky and died. Kicks like that happen and have been happening for as long as i can remember. Agustin Pichot, mr rugby values 2020, back in the day was known in his neighborhood for having kicked someone on the ground in the head. Once you start kicking people's head while they are on the ground/on 4s, all bets are off and it becomes a matter of, for the lack of a better word, luck. If the person dies/considerable and irreversible damage occurs, it's a tragedy, and every news station will pick up the story. If the exact same kick lands say, one cm away and the damage is not as visible/permanent, it becomes a non-issue. No one gives a *****. Personally i think the guys are morons and deserve most of what is coming their way. I do not believe they went out that night thinking "let's kill someone" as the prosecution is arguing and as most of society appears to believe (at least when u watch main news channels). These are very stupid people who made a serious of very bad, reckless and terrible decisions which ended up in someone else dying. A tragedy, by every single definition of the word. Fights like this one happen every single weekend on every single neighborhood. Prison inmates are recording and releasing them into soc media saying the rugby players will be cordially welcomed to the facilities. People are laughing. People are laughing at the prospect of 10 19/20 year olds getting gang-raped the minute the enter prison and they are posting videos about it on soc media. This saddens me on so many levels i don't know where to begin. You cannot watch a news show without someone blaming the white cisgender heteropatriarchy and its armed wing, rugby players. I kid you not. We have congressmen proposing laws that make rugby players as liable as someone carrying a gun/knife. We have news anchors blaming clubs for not doing enough. We have the same morons blaming the rugby federation. I kid you not. They are calling them kids. Parents, club, teachers, society, government, coaches, everyone is responsible, which means no one is responsible. They wanted to blame the bloody bouncers for this. The level of hypocrisy is hard to explain. Again, this makes me so sad on so many levels. /end rant. [/QUOTE]
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