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    Izzy Folau

    That was Merson. I'm talking about the resident panel member on Have I Got News For You ? Or more presciently, the presenter of Room 101.
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    Izzy Folau

    You're not Paul Merton by any chance are you ?
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    Izzy Folau

    Damn it. There goes my Bible argument.
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    Izzy Folau

    Ha ! I take your point to an extent. I also apologise for not directly addressing some of your earlier comments. For me there is a difference between a novel and a book which seeks to teach right and wrong and how people should behave. That said, if there is a reasonable interpretation of a...
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    Izzy Folau

    Hi chaps. I've done some checking, and (as you guys have suggested) it appears that the Bible does not expressly say that gay people will go to hell. As already cited above though, it does say (in one chapter) that gay people should be murdered !! On this basis, I'd be interested to look again...
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    Izzy Folau

    Well, I wanted to do it, it's fine. Btw Jabby, I note that you've given me several 'dislikes', but haven't expressed any views yourself. Are you going to tell use where you stand on the issues raised ?
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    Izzy Folau

    What are the options for interpreting these bits ?: "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." (Leviticus 18:22) "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."...
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    Izzy Folau

    Oh right ! So I backed you into a corner where basically your argument had been shown as total rubbish, but then out of good grace said that I wasn't going to push it so let's leave it at that to think about, and you've responded to that generous gesture by saying the most people see me as a...
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    Izzy Folau

    Bobby. I don't agree with you on that point no. In fact it's clear that we disagree on the issue of the Bible, and whist it's quite obvious to me that your arguments fail, I recognise that you are entitled to raise them. I note though that we are in agreement on the majority of the issues, and...
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    Izzy Folau

    The Bible doesn't contain a selection of opinions for entertaining its readers, it contains a set of instruction for how readers should pursue their lives. It's a complete invalid analogy though. Religious people don't read the Bible because they are interested in it as a historical artifact...
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    Izzy Folau

    But you are condemning Folau for interpreting them as not being wrong. I think that's harsh. The texts are pretty clear, and if you're blaming for Folau for reading them literally, I don't see how you don't blame his twitter users for reading his tweets literally. Look, I don't want to push...
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    Izzy Folau

    Well there you differ from many posters on here, whose condemnation of Folau goes further than criticising for breaching the terms of his employment contract. With regards to "use", what I'm questioning is whether the Bible and other religious texts which explicitly condemn homosexuality should...
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    Izzy Folau

    What are the options for interpreting these bits ?: "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." (Leviticus 18:22) "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."...
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    Izzy Folau

    Ok, so if it's ok to give someone a Bible which you know condemns homosexuality, on the basis that it's up to that person to take what they want from it, now Israel folau's unemployed, would it be ok for him on the same basis to carry on posting his stuff on twitter ? if not, why not ?
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    Izzy Folau

    So we're bashing Folau because it's impractical to bash on the Bible ? I'm not suggesting making the Bible illegal per se btw. I'm talking about editing a few bits of it. Maybe prohibiting use of the unedited form in churches, schools etc.
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    Izzy Folau

    Bobby, appreciate your response. I have to say though I think you're ducking the issue a bit. I don't think that your inanimate object argument works. Let's forget Folau for a minute. My understanding is that in countries including the UK and Australia, it is illegal to condemn someone on the...
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    Izzy Folau

    I'm not aiming to do anything. But the thousands of people bleating online about Folau might have been more effective bleating online about the Bible. It's an episode like this which presents a prime opportunity for kicking the discussion off. And as we've seen in recent years, such...
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    Izzy Folau

    For what it's worth on religion btw, I do think it should be more of a personal thing. Obviously I'm in no position to advise on creation, and sometimes my mind does turn to what could have done all this, as well I suppose as where is it all leading. And if people have faith then kudos to them...
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    Izzy Folau

    Exactly. But don't pass the buck on to others. Let's be brave enough to all say it out loud. If I was here 300 years ago I would have supported slavery If I was here 40 years ago I would have condemned homosexuals I am here today so I condemn the minority who still condemn homosexuals I am...
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    Izzy Folau

    OK, now we're getting somewhere. At least we are starting to have the right conversation now.
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